Saturday, July 4, 2009

“Family Group Conferences” or “ForeGone Conclusions

Does FGC mean “Family Group Conferences” or “ForeGone Conclusions” as I now call some of them and will explain why?

I make these comments because in some cases, (not all) Child, Youth and family New Zealand (CYF) control, who can attend, and they can filter the information they deem should be presented at the conference to the detriment of a good outcome being reached.
If key people are excluded or not enough of or the right information is given, this can dramatically affect the possibility of any outcomes being reached before the conference has even taken place. In other words its setup to fail before it even starts, by CYF.

Potentially CYF can make sure they get the outcome they want by providing the only options, via information and people, they want presented to the FGC. The unchallengeable opinion of the FGC coordinator can make or break a FGC or influence an outcome based on their opinion only and that can depend on what mood they are in or if they like you or not.

The outcomes of an FGC can be predetermined before the FGC even takes place, by excluding people and information, only allowing that which CYF want to be presented to the FGC. They can influence the result (if needed), while seemingly giving the family a choice and doing what is required by law as to arranging the FGC..

CYFS can also put unreasonable timeframes, therefore: restrictions on the FGC, making it impossible to reach an outcome in the allotted timeframe resulting in a none-agreement.
In the event of a none-agreement is returned after and FGC is held CYF get the power back, to come up with a solution. Owing to the fact the family was unable to come to any agreement even if it was CYF own failings as outlined above and agreement could not have possibly been reached.

As a side note, some families have stated they only really had one option presented! So felt compelled, to go along with it, rather the risk CYF making a decision for them, that most likely could be different to what the family wanted. They would rather have little say, than none at all! So agreed, based on that conclusion. So given CYF claim, that 90 per cent of cases family group conferences, agree about what should be done. Under what circumstances? Bring this conclusion about. This is the real question. Given some of the examples I have stated, if an agreement was under duress, or influenced by controlling the amount or type of information, along with people and timeframes available to the conference, this truly can be said, ‘hardly keeps within the spirit of the FGC ethos.’ Some could call that; abuse of power or manipulating the system for their own gain. Which it is!

I would like CYFS to read this comment I have come across:

“Please note that any two people who attended the Family Group Conference can request the Care and Protection Co-ordinator to reconvene the Family Group Conference if they have serious concerns for any reason that cannot be resolved informally”

Source: Pamela Putland Care & Protection Co-ordinator prepared this information,
Children Young Persons & Their Families Service Otara
www.hrs.org.nz/fostercare/Files/FamilyGroupConferences.pdf.


CYF can in fact hold a FGC without the family if they refuse to attend so basically at times they are blackmailed into turning up and going along for the ride even if they know it’s a fast. It seems strange to call it a Family group conference if none of the family turn up, but never mind that LOL
How about telling the family an FGC is being held, the whole family decide not to attend and do not. Often CYFS claim one was held. Strange? The ‘F’ (Family) part of the FGC was not in attendance.

Just to clarify a point, family members in some cases have given CYF lists of people they wanted invited to the FGC, CYF lost the lists or the invitations or claim they went astray in the post, or CYF claimed they did not know about the people who missed out and blame the family for not telling them. That’s the subtle approach when I talk about people be excluded, or they will make a time for the FGC wherein certain people can’t come and say “sorry we tried, but can’t suit everyone’s needs”

Now in brief, if you read CYFS own webpage, then some off the stuff I allege has happened; is a breach of their own guidelines and protocols for example: http://www.cyf.govt.nz/1258.htm

Under The heading Family Rights:
… give and be given any necessary information…
…. take as much time as necessary to find solutions….

Not only that but CYF are advised:

The challenge to the Department of Social Welfare from these findings is to minimize the degree to which things go wrong, while maximizing the benefits from the process for the families involved.

M. Gilling, L. Pettersen and B., Walker (1995) Family Members' Experiences of the Care and Protection Family Group Conference Process¸ Social Policy Agency, Wellington.

The is another good bit of advice for CYF:
“Family empowerment will occur when there is a genuine partnership between the family and the professionals”
Social Work Now/Number 11/December 1998 page 17
www.cyf.govt.nz/documents/swn11.pdf

While I could sat a lot more will leave it there but would like to point out to people who have to deal with CYF you have rights and should take a look at the following:

Example Aotearoa New Zealand Association of Social Workers (ANZASW) http://www.anzasw.org.nz/code-of-ethics.html
Social Workers Registration Board (SWRB) http://www.swrb.org.nz/Documents/Forms/conductmay.2005.pdf.pdf and guidelines http://www.swrb.org.nz/Documents/Code-of-Conduct_Guidelines.pdf
State Services Commission (SSC) Code of conduct for the State Services, http://www.ssc.govt.nz/display/document.asp?DocID=6320 This page has a heap of information on it about integrity etc.. you can download http://www.ssc.govt.nz/upload/downloadable_files/Code-of-conduct-StateServices.pdf

Cheers
Graeme Axford

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9 comments:

  1. Well, never a true a word said, OMG you are right on….

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  2. Yip the FGC process is more for CYF then the family, it is a con...

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  3. Our FGC was also a con, not enough time, information or the right people invited, as you have said happens…. CYF got to make the final decision as the family could not agree under them circumstances, which is what they wanted… It more to do with CYF power and control, then the family or child

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  4. From what I have seen having gone to a few FGCs to support people, its a lot of crap and the way CTF run them not in the spirit of accomplishment.... CYF have and get thier on way as you have pointed out already...

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  5. The reality is, at the first stage of the FGC, it the family does not agree the child is in need of care and protection, the Family Group Conference is over. If they do agree then that gives CYF the basis to hang onto the child and the right to do as they will.
    Even in the absence of any real evidence you have unwittingly given CYF the reason and right to interfere and have a reason to stay in your lives and hold the child to ransom by agreeing the child is in need of care and protection. In other words you just screwed yourselves.
    If the family does not agree the child is in need of care and protection that Family Group Conference ends, some could call that blackmail, it’s that simple. The issue goes to court and CYF bring in their court approved psychologist to support their claims if no physical evidence exists, or they will use hearsay from and anonymous complaint. Problem is because it is anonymous can not be verified. CYF use this to entrap people and sometimes make the complaint themselves to support their actions, if you challenge them in any way or complain. Please people unless it is true the child is in need of care and protection don’t agree for any other reason apart from if it’s true. The idea of agreeing for the simple purpose of hoping the family gets some say in the child’s direction and life from there is wrong. Even if the family does have an outcome CYF still don’t have to follow it and often chooses the bits they like that suits their agenda from the FGC outcome, or they will do what they can from that FGC outcome restricted by budgetary constraints. I say that because one manager made an error with the budgets, so the one thing that suffered to make up for it was FGC outcomes as they can come at a costs if they are to be delivered… You are totally at their mercy if they have any.
    I worked for an agency contracted to CYF and the staff used to boast about how easy it is to get what they want on a number of levels and ways to confirm what Graeme Axford has said in the past, which I did not believe to start with.
    Just a point the “court approved psychologist “more often then not agrees with CYF, after all he who pays the piper gets the tune they want. We have a dual court system and the family court is the one that you don’t need to prove beyond reasonable doubt…
    All CYF need to do is prove something might, could or will happen or supply a dodgy bit of hearsay evidence, or better still if there is a family feud, find the factions who hate each other and play on that. Revenge is sweet, for some I guess… In the mean time the child suffers while the adults including CYF play games. This best sums up what Graeme wrote on his last FGC blog and as one who knows I agree. Thank you for opening my eyes to the truth, which I hope one day, will set our kids free, from abuse at home and by the CYF system… CYF are the masters at manipulation of the system and controlling your destiny, as they have got away with it for so long and unchallengeable. Yes people get defendant hearings, and often the child and CYF have a lawyer and the parents don’t as there is a shortage of family court lawyers or counsel, whatever they get called these days. I used to think Graeme had it in for CYF as they did not employ him, however now I can see beyond that and his point about how corrupt some at CYF can be ( not all ) and get away with it… honk honk when I pass CYF offices from now on…

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  6. You are 100% right, the FGC is for CYF not the family

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  7. Your blogs don't seem to be working as its hard to post on them as its taken me an hour to get this message to you...

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  8. Greymouth must have the worst CYF office out of them all, we had a so called FGC... and it was so well planned NOT...

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  9. FGC isnt for the family thats for sure. Our case worker has lied to me and my lawyer and my family. the first FGC we had was forced on us to agree to. There was so much b*ll.

    Another point I would like to add, what happens if CYF go back on what they agree to at the FGC?

    And yet another, how can you investigate the matter if you dont here from both sides? CYF have interview both my x and my x's mother but refuse to "hear the truth" by interviewing me or my family. There are provable lies in the so called CYF saying "this is true and correct" to the courts.

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